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02/13/2006 01:30 PM Senate HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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01:37:04 PM Overview - Department of Health and Social Services Pandemic Influenza Response Plan
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Department of Health & Social Services
Pandemic Influenza Response Plan
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                               
                       February 13, 2006                                                                                        
                           1:36 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Fred Dyson, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Gary Wilken, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview - Department of Health and Social Services Pandemic                                                                    
Influenza Response Plan                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Richard Mandsager, MD, Director                                                                                                 
Division of Public Health                                                                                                       
Department of Health and Social Services                                                                                        
PO Box 110601                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99801-0601                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented Pandemic Influenza Response Plan                                                               
Overview and answered questions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Jay Butler, MD, Chief                                                                                                           
Epidemiology Section                                                                                                            
Division of Public Health                                                                                                       
Department of Health and Social Services                                                                                        
PO Box 110601                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99801-0601                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented Pandemic Influenza Response Plan                                                               
Overview and answered questions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRED DYSON  called the Senate Health,  Education and Social                                                             
Services  Standing  Committee meeting  to  order  at 1:36:46  PM.                                                             
Present were  Senators Gary  Wilken, Kim  Elton, Donny  Olson and                                                               
Chair Fred Dyson.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
 ^Overview - Department of Health and Social Services Pandemic                                                              
                    Influenza Response Plan                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
1:37:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON announced  that the committee would  hear an overview                                                               
on response plans for pandemic influenza.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD  MANDSAGER,  MD,  Director, Division  of  Public  Health,                                                               
Department  of  Health  and Social  Services  (DHSS),  introduced                                                               
himself and Dr. Jay Butler, the new state epidemiologist.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JAY BUTLER,  MD, Chief, Epidemiology Section,  Division of Public                                                               
Health, Department  of Health and  Social Services,  told members                                                               
that prior  to taking  his new  position he  was director  of the                                                               
Arctic Investigations Program in  Anchorage under the Centers for                                                               
Disease Control  and Prevention  (CDC).  He  has lived  in Alaska                                                               
since 1998.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:37:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER explained  that he  and Dr.  Butler would  discuss                                                               
avian  influenza and  preparations  for pandemic  influenza.   He                                                               
briefly reviewed the four items  in members' packets:  a brochure                                                               
discussing  types of  flu; a  copy of  Administrative Order  228,                                                               
signed January 2,  2006, relating to preparedness; a  copy of the                                                               
State  of Alaska  Pandemic Influenza  Preparedness Concept  Plan;                                                               
and a  copy of  the PowerPoint presentation.   He  explained that                                                               
Dr. Butler  would present the  science of influenza and  he would                                                               
discuss preparations.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER presented the following:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                     Influenza: What Is It?                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   ¾Respiratory tract infection-caused influenza virus.                                                                        
   ¾Transmission by respiratory droplet.                                                                                       
   ¾Illness begins 1-5 days after exposure.                                                                                    
   ¾Infectious from day before or day of illness onset, lasts                                                                  
     3-5 days.                                                                                                                  
   ¾There are three major types of influenza:                                                                                  
        ¾Influenza A is the focus of the current                                                                               
          discussion - frequent winter epidemics, also                                                                          
          causes pandemics.                                                                                                     
        ¾Influenza   B   -   occasionally   causes   winter                                                                    
          epidemics.                                                                                                            
        ¾Influenza C - fairly uncommon - episodic                                                                              
          infection.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:42:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                          Influenza A                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
  ¾Typing is based on the surface projections from the virus.                                                                  
        ¾ There are 16 H types and 9 N types. This is                                                                          
          where the sub-typing names such as H5N1 come                                                                          
          from. They are based on those surface components                                                                      
          of the virus.                                                                                                         
   ¾Exists in nature primarily in aquatic birds.                                                                               
   ¾Occasionally, strains will "jump species."                                                                                 
        ¾Some strains are specific to horses.                                                                                  
        ¾Many strains infect pigs.                                                                                             
       ¾Strains have adapted to infect seals and whales.                                                                       
        ¾Several avian strains are capable of infecting                                                                        
          domestic   poultry,   which   is   of   importance                                                                    
          economically.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:43:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked  if Dr. Butler was referring  to the antigens                                                               
when he spoke of H and N types.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER  replied yes; they  are projections on the  surface of                                                               
the virus itself.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked if they are in the RNA.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BUTLER  explained that  the  RNA  is the  genetic  component                                                               
within the virus, while the H  and N are surface components.  The                                                               
H stands  for hemoglutinin, which  is what binds  the respiratory                                                               
tract of  the infected  animal. The  N stands  for neuraminidase,                                                               
the component of the virus that  helps it to bust out of infected                                                               
cells in large numbers.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:45:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                        Human Influenza                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   ¾Influenza A subtypes can be spread widely among humans.                                                                    
        ¾H1N1 is a descendant of the strain that caused                                                                        
          the 1918 influenza pandemic.                                                                                          
        ¾H3N2 is currently the most common subtype and                                                                         
          descends from the 1968 pandemic                                                                                       
        ¾H1N2.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:46:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                        Avian Influenza                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
   ¾Is an influenza A virus that is found mainly in birds.                                                                     
   ¾There are two types.                                                                                                       
        ¾Low-pathogenic is most common, and the disease                                                                        
          may be mild or absent.  Manifest as ruffled                                                                           
          feathers and/or reduced egg production.                                                                               
        ¾Some strains become highly pathogenic.  They are                                                                      
          identified as  being capable of killing  more than                                                                    
          75%  of  experimentally  infected  chickens.    In                                                                    
          agricultural  situations,  mortality can  approach                                                                    
          100% in the infected birds.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON questioned whether the virus could penetrate the                                                                  
egg.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER replied that the concern isn't that it penetrates the                                                                
egg.  Rather, it's that the virus can be transmitted from the                                                                   
contaminated shell of the egg.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:47:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked if exposure to the chick is automatic once                                                                  
the egg is broken.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER replied that it would occur through exposure to the                                                                  
other birds in the flock that are infected.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER continued:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                      H5N1 Avian Influenza                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   ¾A low-pathogen strain was first isolated from terns in                                                                     
     South Africa in 1961.                                                                                                      
   ¾H5N1 circulates globally in wild birds.  It's been isolated                                                                
     from wild birds in North America in the past but that's                                                                    
     always been the low-pathogen strains.                                                                                      
   ¾In 1997 a highly pathogenic strain emerged among domestic                                                                  
     poultry in Hong Kong.                                                                                                      
        ¾It was unusual in that it caused severe disease                                                                       
          among humans who were infected.   Before 1997 only                                                                    
          H7  strains   of  avian  influenza   had  infected                                                                    
          humans.   Eighteen  people were  infected and  six                                                                    
          died.                                                                                                                 
        ¾The virus was contained by controlling the                                                                            
          infected flocks.                                                                                                      
   ¾The virus re-emerged in Southeast Asia in December 2003.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:49:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
         Transmission of H5N1 Avian Influenza to Humans                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
   ¾Primarily through direct with infected domestic poultry or                                                                 
     their excretions.                                                                                                          
   ¾Human-to-human spread has been rare to date.                                                                               
        ¾Rare health care worker transmission                                                                                  
        ¾In September 2004 a child became infected. The                                                                        
          infection spread to the mother who had no                                                                             
          exposure to poultry. Further transmission didn't                                                                      
          occur.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:49:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                     Spread of H5N1 in 2005                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The  slide indicated  countries in  Eurasia with  outbreaks, with                                                               
and without  human cases.   In just the  first few weeks  of 2006                                                               
the slide has become out of date.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Outbreaks in  birds were  identified in  Turkey in  October 2005,                                                               
followed   by   a  cluster   of   infections   among  humans   in                                                               
January 2006.   Twenty-one  cases were  under investigation,  and                                                               
four have been fatal.   All those infections followed exposure to                                                               
infected domestic poultry.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Infected  birds have  recently been  identified in  Greece, Italy                                                               
and Bulgaria. Of greatest concern  is the discovery of H5N1 avian                                                               
strains that are infecting domestic poultry in Nigeria.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
During the  last few  weeks, infections  have been  identified in                                                               
Iraq; the  first human  case has been  identified there  as well.                                                               
That  brings  to  seven  the  number  of  countries  where  human                                                               
infections of H5N1 have been identified.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON  mentioned  a  report of  infected  birds  on  the                                                               
Denmark border.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:51:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                      Why Should We Care?                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Recipe for an Influenza Pandemic:                                                                                               
   ¾A new influenza virus to which the population has little                                                                   
     immunity.                                                                                                                  
        ¾That's present in the form of H5N1.                                                                                   
   ¾Ability of the virus to replicate in humans and cause                                                                      
     disease.                                                                                                                   
        ¾Two additional fatal cases were identified in                                                                         
          Indonesia  over the  last  weekend;  and one  more                                                                    
          fatal  case  was  identified   in  China.    Since                                                                    
          December  2003, the  total is  169  cases with  91                                                                    
          deaths in Eurasia.                                                                                                    
   ¾The most critical ingredient is efficient and sustained                                                                    
     person-to-person transmission.  That hasn't yet occurred                                                                   
     with H5N1.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:52:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   Potential Clinical Impact of Pandemic Influenza in Alaska                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
     Outcome                                 Approximate Number                                                               
     Illness                                      200,000                                                                       
     Clinic visits                                100,000                                                                       
     Hospitalizations                             2,000-22,000                                                                  
     ICU admissions                               300-3,000                                                                     
     Mechanical ventilation                       150-1,500                                                                     
     Deaths                                       400-4,000                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER  explained that  in pandemics  the population  is very                                                               
susceptible.  Over a period of  12 to 18 months, it's anticipated                                                               
about one-third  of the  population becomes  ill. In  Alaska that                                                               
translates to  about 200,000 cases,  and about half would  be ill                                                               
enough  to  seek  medical  care   in  clinics.    Hospitalization                                                               
estimates  range   from  2,000   to  22,000,  depending   on  the                                                               
differences in the  ability of various pandemic  strains to cause                                                               
disease.   For perspective,  he pointed out  that there  are just                                                               
1,400  licensed  hospital beds  in  Alaska.  Lower estimates  are                                                               
based  on virus  types that  caused pandemics  in 1957  and 1968,                                                               
while higher estimates are based  on the 1918 influenza pandemic.                                                               
Of  those hospitalized,  it's estimated  that roughly  10 percent                                                               
will  require intensive  care,  and between  150  and 1,500  will                                                               
require mechanical  ventilation.  In a  regular influenza season,                                                               
50  to 100  people  die.   It's estimated  that  during the  next                                                               
pandemic between 400 and 4,000 people will die in Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  said, as  far  as what  to do  about  the projected  numbers,                                                               
public health has three tools  available.  The first is vaccines,                                                               
which won't  be available at the  start of the next  pandemic.  A                                                               
vaccine to treat  the H5N1 strain is under  development, but that                                                               
might not  be the next pandemic  strain.  The second  tool is use                                                               
of antiviral drugs  early in treatment, and  stockpiling of about                                                               
20,000  courses is  recommended in  Alaska.   The  third tool  is                                                               
infection-control   measures    including   personal   protective                                                               
supplies  and   education  about  transmission  in   health  care                                                               
facilities and communities.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked how patients are treated.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BUTLER  explained  that  if   treatment  is  started  early,                                                               
antiviral drugs are  used.  Beyond that,  treatment is supportive                                                               
and includes treatment of secondary  infections.  A number of the                                                               
deaths that occurred during the  1957 and 1968 pandemics were due                                                               
to bacterial pneumonia, a complication  of influenza. In the 1918                                                               
pandemic, many more people died  quickly of the primary influenza                                                               
infection.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:54:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked whether the respiratory  system is permanently                                                               
compromised.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER replied  that most people who are able  to survive the                                                               
infection do  very well, but  the long-term effects  of influenza                                                               
is a topic of ongoing debate.   For instance, there is a question                                                               
about  whether some  cases  of Parkinson's  disease  seen in  the                                                               
middle  of the  20th century  were related  to the  1918 pandemic                                                               
strain.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  asked about  the anticipated time  for being  on a                                                               
respirator.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER stated that it depends  on the severity of the illness                                                               
and whether other organs fail.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  referenced the  91 deaths out  of 170  cases since                                                               
December  2003 and  asked if  any  had access  to intensive  care                                                               
units (ICUs) with mechanical ventilation capability.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER replied that there  are exceptions, but many cases did                                                               
have access to intensive care.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  questioned whether  certain conditions  make someone                                                               
more vulnerable to influenza.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER  answered that  the very  young and  the very  old are                                                               
more at risk, and the older  the patient, the greater the risk of                                                               
death.   Also,  people  with underlying  diseases or  compromised                                                               
immune  systems are  at  greater risk  of dying.    For the  next                                                               
pandemic it's hard  to say.  The 1957 and  1968 pandemics behaved                                                               
like  seasonal influenza,  but the  1918 pandemic  was different.                                                               
In that one, people  between 25 and 40 years of  age had a higher                                                               
death  rate, perhaps  because the  virus  was able  to induce  an                                                               
immune response that  damaged the lungs in particular.   When the                                                               
H5N1 virus infects people, it  seems to cause a similar reaction,                                                               
he noted.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked about transmission of the disease.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER  explained it's transmitted via  respiratory droplets;                                                               
it's different from  an airborne disease such  as tuberculosis or                                                               
measles.    Influenza  viruses are  fairly  stable,  so  ordinary                                                               
hygiene is important.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
         Common Misperceptions About Pandemic Influenza                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   ¾An influenza pandemic is overdue, and it will be caused by                                                                 
     H5N1 "bird flu."                                                                                                           
        ¾This is a "gambler's fallacy."  Because there                                                                         
          hasn't been a pandemic since 1968 doesn't mean                                                                        
          one is more likely this or next year.                                                                                 
        ¾We don't know which type of influenza will cause                                                                      
          the next pandemic.  Strains other than H5N1 can                                                                       
          cause a pandemic.                                                                                                     
        ¾We do have better technology to recognize trends                                                                      
          in viral evolution and infection in animals and                                                                       
          humans than in the past.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:04:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON  asked  what  symptoms,  other  than  mass  die-off,                                                               
infected birds  might exhibit that  the general  population could                                                               
recognize.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BUTLER explained  that  a  large die-off  might  occur if  a                                                               
highly  pathogenic strain  entered an  area, but  that is  a poor                                                               
signal because certain species don't  die when infected.  Species                                                               
such as  ducks, swans and geese  that serve as the  reservoir for                                                               
influenza A  are capable of  carrying the  virus asymptomatically                                                               
and infecting other birds on the migratory path.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked if  the symptoms for  avian flu  are different                                                               
from those of ordinary flu.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BUTLER explained  that it's  a case-by-case  basis, but  the                                                               
cardinal ways for detecting are to  check for recent travel to an                                                               
area that has  the particular virus, or to check  for exposure to                                                               
sick poultry.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  questioned whether practitioners  in the  state have                                                               
gotten the message to ask the right questions.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER replied  that the epidemiology bulletin  has been used                                                               
to  alert  Alaskan  clinicians   about  H5N1.    Furthermore,  he                                                               
indicated he'd  been making rounds  and speaking  with physicians                                                               
to ensure  that people are  aware of the  clinical manifestations                                                               
of H5N1, as well as the availability of tests.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked what the clinical manifestations are.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER answered that for H5N1  in humans, of which there have                                                               
been  fewer  than  200  cases  to  date,  a  classic  description                                                               
includes  a  fairly  severe   respiratory  illness  that  rapidly                                                               
progresses  to   pneumonia,  a  syndrome   known  as   the  adult                                                               
respiratory distress  syndrome (ARDS), and  sometimes multi-organ                                                               
failure; fever is common.  Patients  with H5N1 don't seem to have                                                               
as much muscle  ache as with regular seasonal  influenza, and may                                                               
be more  likely to  have gastrointestinal  symptoms, particularly                                                               
diarrhea.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON asked  whether  cooking poultry  gets  rid of  the                                                               
danger.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR.   BUTLER  answered   that  the   virus   is  deactivated   at                                                               
temperatures  of  155 to  165  degrees,  which was  addressed  in                                                               
initial guidelines  put out  for Alaskan  hunters for  wild game.                                                               
He pointed out  that there's no documentation  that the infection                                                               
is spread  through eating  infected birds,  or evidence  that the                                                               
H5N1 strain  is in Alaska.   However, the recommendation  is that                                                               
any  game that  is  poultry  should be  cooked  to  at least  165                                                               
degrees Fahrenheit.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON said  it seems the problem with a  pandemic is that                                                               
it  might not  be this  particular virus,  which precludes  being                                                               
able to  develop the proper vaccine.   Thus all that  can be done                                                               
right now is to observe, and  all the medical community can do is                                                               
to keep  track of  reports when  the contact  may have  come from                                                               
poultry, and then  determine whether it has spread  from human to                                                               
human.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER  answered that more can  be done.  The  challenge with                                                               
vaccines for the  next pandemic is twofold.  One  is what exactly                                                               
the next strain will be.  The second  is "how we do it," which is                                                               
where there is  an opportunity; he specified that  "we" means the                                                               
medical community as a whole.   Currently, influenza vaccines are                                                               
mass-produced, using the same technology  used 50 years ago.  The                                                               
six- to  nine-month process involves  inoculating a  large number                                                               
of fertilized eggs, then harvesting  the virus and activating it,                                                               
creating the vaccine.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He said  part of  the federal funding  focuses on  developing new                                                               
technologies based on  cell culture, with the  hope of shortening                                                               
that time to just  a few months.  "If we  have a pandemic anytime                                                               
in the next couple of years,  we will not have a vaccine probably                                                               
for about the first six months or so," he concluded.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:12:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER continued, presenting the following:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
         Common Misperceptions About Pandemic Influenza                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
   ¾Like a forest fire, an influenza pandemic can be snuffed                                                                   
     out if caught early.                                                                                                       
   ¾Given the short incubation period, viral shedding very                                                                     
     early after infection, and ease of spread, this is highly                                                                  
     unlikely.                                                                                                                  
   ¾There is nothing that we can do and the federal government                                                                 
     is going to take care of this anyway.                                                                                      
   ¾Preparedness is critical for mitigation but                                                                                
        ¾Vaccines will probably not be available at the                                                                        
          beginning of the next pandemic.                                                                                       
       ¾Antiviral drugs will likely be in short supply.                                                                        
   ¾There are things that we can all do.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:14:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked about availability  and cost of the antiviral                                                               
drugs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER answered that two  classes of the four antiviral drugs                                                               
are specific  for influenza.   Unfortunately,  seasonal influenza                                                               
has  become  increasingly resistant  to  the  older class,  which                                                               
includes  amantadine  and  rimantadine.     The  newer  class  of                                                               
antiviral drugs  is the neuraminidase inhibitors,  which includes                                                               
Tamiflu.   These drugs  can reduce the  severity of  influenza if                                                               
administered in  the first  48 hours after  infection.   They may                                                               
play a preventative role if  administered prior to exposure.  The                                                               
cost of  these drugs  is a  challenge, however.   In  the private                                                               
sector, the neuraminidase  inhibitor costs about $40  for a five-                                                               
day course of medication.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked how long the protection lasts.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER replied  that it depends on whether  it's given before                                                               
or after  exposure.  Supply  is the  other challenge:   in Alaska                                                               
about 1,000 doses are available now.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:17:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN asked  whether  so-called mad  cow  disease is  a                                                               
pandemic or an epidemic.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BUTLER replied  that it's  neither; it's  food-borne through                                                               
ingestion of infected beef.   "Pandemic" is used for any epidemic                                                               
that  occurs worldwide.   The  term "influenza"  is used  for new                                                               
strains that humans aren't immune to.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:19:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER presented  the following slides related  to what is                                                               
reasonable  in order  to  diminish the  effects  of an  influenza                                                               
pandemic on communities:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                      Public Health's Role                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   ¾Surveillance for Human Disease                                                                                             
   ¾Disease Control Policies and Strategies                                                                                    
   ¾Plan - Train --- Exercise                                                                                                  
   ¾Encourage and Support Partners:                                                                                            
        ¾Medical System                                                                                                        
        ¾Community Leaders                                                                                                     
        ¾Business Leaders                                                                                                      
        ¾Schools                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:21:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
           We're Better Prepared Than Ever Before...                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
   ¾New Public Health Law in Effect                                                                                            
   ¾Emergency Plans for:                                                                                                       
        ¾Incident Command Operations                                                                                           
        ¾Epi Investigations                                                                                                    
        ¾Mass Prophylaxis (preventive treatment)                                                                               
        ¾Pandemic Flu                                                                                                          
        ¾Training of Public Health Staff                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   ¾Mass Prophylaxis Clinic Exercises                                                                                          
   ¾Human Disease Surveillance                                                                                                 
   ¾Bird Disease Surveillance                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:23:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked what form of vaccine would be used.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  answered that the  clinics are being  tested using                                                               
the annual  fall flu  vaccine.  The  last two  years, communities                                                               
have been contacted to see whether  they want to test it and test                                                               
their own planning  and improve readiness.   Probably the biggest                                                               
exercise so  far was in  Fairbanks.   He noted that  last August,                                                               
Anchorage  tested the  ability to  distribute medicine  by giving                                                               
out candy as a surrogate.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  explained that  for the  United States,  Alaska is                                                               
the  epicenter  of bird  disease  surveillance  for summer  2006.                                                               
This has everything to do  with migratory birds and protection of                                                               
the  poultry industry.   In  Alaska, the  concern is  about human                                                               
protection  for  hunters  who  handle   game  birds.    The  U.S.                                                               
Department of  Agriculture (USDA)  has money -  as does  the U.S.                                                               
Fish and Wildlife  Service and the U.S.  Geological Survey (USGS)                                                               
- appropriated  by Congress for  surveillance.  The  nesting area                                                               
for  many Eurasian  species is  Alaska, and  they mix  with birds                                                               
coming up the  Pacific, Midwest and California  flyways.  There's                                                               
concern that if H5N1 gets to  Alaska, it likely will affect birds                                                               
heading  to  the  Lower  48, where  protection  of  the  domestic                                                               
poultry industry is of critical importance.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER mentioned  participating in  a teleconference  six                                                               
weeks ago.  He  said it became clear that care  must be used with                                                               
regard to the  language used on the public,  because the domestic                                                               
poultry  industry is  scared.   He  also  noted that  range-grown                                                               
turkeys  in Palmer  will cause  concern  if the  strain comes  to                                                               
Alaska.   He mentioned subsistence harvests,  as well, indicating                                                               
samples were  sent to  Fish and  Wildlife in  Madison, Wisconsin.                                                               
He said  the new Department  of Environmental  Conservation (DEC)                                                               
lab in Anchorage  is capable of screening, and  there is capacity                                                               
in Fairbanks for human screening.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:29:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked what to look for, other than dead birds.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER  replied  the screeners  would  swab  and  collect                                                               
feces.   A  lot of  wild birds  carry the  virus without  getting                                                               
sick.  He said he believes  the majority opinion today is that it                                                               
spreads via  migratory birds, and  there is  a need to  watch for                                                               
whether and  when it appears  in North  America.  People  will be                                                               
looking for die-off, but also swabbing apparently healthy birds.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:30:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN mentioned a story  in USA Today about Foster Farms                                                             
and what  has been done  to isolate chickens, using  a clean-room                                                               
environment, hopefully  rolling that  into its marketing  to show                                                               
that the birds are virus free.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  related a similar positive-marketing  article from                                                               
the San  Joaquin Valley in  California, where people who  work on                                                               
one farm  aren't allowed to  go to another  farm.  It  isn't just                                                               
this virus,  he pointed  out, naming  Newcastle virus  as another                                                               
against  which protection  is  sought.   He  emphasized that  the                                                               
poultry industry  anticipates the public  fear that will  come if                                                               
the virus is reported in North America.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN inquired  about airplane  traffic into  Fairbanks                                                               
from Asia with regard to this issue.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER noted  that the  human surveillance  issue is  the                                                               
other part.  How  will this H5N1 virus get to  Alaska?  One means                                                               
is  by migratory  birds,  but  the other  is  from  a person  who                                                               
unknowingly  carries the  disease if  human-to-human transmission                                                               
occurs.  If someone arrives by  plane from Viet Nam or China, for                                                               
example,  and is  exhibiting  flu  symptoms, the  epidemiologists                                                               
will likely be called and  will be screening because awareness of                                                               
possible human  transport is high  in Alaska.   In that  case, if                                                               
someone comes off  a cargo plane, for example, there  is a chance                                                               
to  contain it,  whereas  if  someone who  is  sick  comes off  a                                                               
commercial airliner from Asia, it will be far more difficult.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  asked if  he would be  stopped if  he disembarked                                                               
from a  plane arriving from Asia  and was exhibiting flu  or cold                                                               
symptoms.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER replied  probably not,  as long  as human-to-human                                                               
transmission hasn't  been reported.   However,  as soon  as there                                                               
are  reports  of  community  clusters  elsewhere  in  the  world,                                                               
anxiety will go way  up.  He noted that Dr. Butler  was part of a                                                               
team when  SARS severe acute  respiratory syndrome (SARS)  was of                                                               
high concern; CDC was working  with a quarantine service then for                                                               
flights  in and  out of  Anchorage, and  people were  interviewed                                                               
before being allowed to disembark.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He said those days could be  coming back.  The federal government                                                               
has established  a quarantine office  in Anchorage,  staffed with                                                               
one person, and the Anchorage  airport is updating its quarantine                                                               
plans, working with  the Division of Public Health.   If the need                                                               
arises, screening would probably occur before people disembark.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:35:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON  asked whether  it's  really  possible to  control                                                               
people's movements.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER  said  he'd address  the  question  in  subsequent                                                               
slides,  but  clearly  the question  is  mitigation  rather  than                                                               
control.  Furthermore,  how much mitigation can  there be without                                                               
causing social and economic collapse?                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:37:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER continued, presenting the following:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                The Immediate Work Includes....                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   ¾Engaging Faith Organizations, Communities, Businesses, and                                                                 
     Schools                                                                                                                    
        ¾Things to do - checklists are available.                                                                              
   ¾Alternate Care Site Exercises                                                                                              
        ¾Hospitals will be overwhelmed, so where will the                                                                      
          less-sick people be housed?  Who will staff those                                                                     
          places and how will staff be protected?                                                                               
   ¾Developing Antiviral Strategies                                                                                            
        ¾Is it the public government's responsibility to                                                                       
          stockpile, and how much is appropriate?                                                                               
        ¾Who will receive the drugs?                                                                                           
   ¾Identification of Essential Services and Workers                                                                           
        ¾Business should assume that 10-30 percent of its                                                                      
          staff will be sick over the peak period.                                                                              
       ¾In Alaska, airline personnel will be important.                                                                        
   ¾Isolation and Social Distancing Strategies                                                                                 
        ¾Community leaders must consider where crowds                                                                          
          gather and how to spread concentrations out.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:42:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
  State of Alaska Pandemic Influenza Preparedness Concept Plan                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   ¾Planning Assumptions                                                                                                       
        ¾State Emergency Response Plan = Foundation for                                                                        
          Preparedness and Response                                                                                             
        ¾Shortage of antivirals                                                                                                
        ¾No vaccine for at least 6 months after start of                                                                       
          pandemic                                                                                                              
        ¾Global problem                                                                                                        
        ¾Widespread illness = personnel shortages                                                                              
        ¾Duration of 6 - 12 months                                                                                             
        ¾Health care facilities overwhelmed                                                                                    
        ¾Reduced national-level resource support                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   ¾Objectives                                                                                                                 
        1. Alaska Pandemic Influenza Annex                                                                                      
             ¾Annex   to   Division   of   Public                                                                              
               Health's Emergency Operations Plan                                                                               
             ¾Based    on    National    Pandemic                                                                              
               Influenza Plan                                                                                                   
        2. Public Information and Education                                                                                     
        3. Outreach to Community and Business Leaders                                                                           
        4. Training and Exercise Support for Communities                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:44:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
            Guidance to Business & Community Leaders                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Pre-pandemic:                                                                                                                   
   ¾Identify "essential functions and workers"                                                                                 
   ¾Determine potential impact on services and supplies                                                                        
       ¾Barges may be the most important here in Alaska                                                                        
   ¾Establish emergency communications plan                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
During Pandemic:                                                                                                                
   ¾Establish sick leave policies to keep ill employees home                                                                   
   ¾Use flexible workplace and work hours                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Before, During, and After:                                                                                                      
   ¾Share best practices and "lessons learned"                                                                                 
   ¾Stay informed                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:46:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
              Legislative Support for Preparedness                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Accomplished in 2005 Session:                                                                                                   
   ¾Updated state public health laws (HB 95)                                                                                   
   ¾Authorized funding for new virology laboratory (SB 73)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Next Steps:                                                                                                                     
   ¾Community leadership                                                                                                       
        ¾Ask local leaders about status of emergency plans                                                                     
        ¾Participate in community emergency planning                                                                           
          meetings                                                                                                              
   ¾Governor's    funding   initiative    for   public    health                                                               
     preparedness                                                                                                               
   ¾Possible future legislation to improve preparedness                                                                        
        ¾If hospitals stretch, are they protected                                                                              
          from liability issues?                                                                                                
        ¾Address licensing issues for nurses who have let their                                                                
          licenses expire.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:48:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
             $7.23 Million FY2007 Budget Initiative                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
   Alaskans Safe & Secure from Infectious Disease Threats and                                                                   
                   Public Health Emergencies                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   ¾$1.0 M: Epi disease surveillance, investigation, and                                                                       
     control                                                                                                                    
   ¾$1.0 M: Public health laboratory disease surveillance                                                                      
  ¾$1.5 M: Public health nursing support for community-based:                                                                  
        ¾Emergency planning and exercises                                                                                      
        ¾Monitoring of health status                                                                                           
        ¾Disease investigation and control                                                                                     
   ¾$2.5 M:                                                                                                                    
        ¾$2.05 M: One-time capital project development                                                                         
        ¾$0.45 M: On-going maintenance expense                                                                                 
   ¾$1.23 M: Alaska-based antiviral stockpiles                                                                                 
        ¾The national plan assumes states will purchase                                                                        
          and  contribute about  25%  of  the stockpile.  If                                                                    
          that happens  the federal government  will provide                                                                    
          incentive  by  reimbursing  25%  of  the  purchase                                                                    
          amount.                                                                                                               
        ¾It's not known when the antiviral would be                                                                            
          available to Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:51:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON asked if additional money is available for                                                                        
waterfowl surveys.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  replied that the  governor's budget for  this year                                                               
doesn't  allocate  money  for bird  surveillance  simply  because                                                               
federal money is  available.  If H5N1 reaches  Alaska this coming                                                               
summer, however, it should be  a budgetary consideration for next                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:53:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER continued his presentation:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
                           In Summary                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
   ¾It is likely that a pandemic of influenza will happen in                                                                   
     the future.                                                                                                                
   ¾We are better prepared than ever, but we have much more                                                                    
     work to do.                                                                                                                
   ¾The work we do to improve preparedness for pandemic                                                                        
     influenza makes us better prepared for other threats and                                                                   
     emergencies.                                                                                                               
   ¾The Legislature plays a significant leadership role for                                                                    
     Alaska's citizens.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:53:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                     Additional Information                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   ¾Website pandemicflu.gov                                                                                                    
   ¾Website pandemicflu.Alaska.gov                                                                                             
   ¾The Great Influenza, John M. Barry, Penguin Books, 2004                                                                  
   ¾Wall Street Journal, January 12, 2006                                                                                      
        ¾Article discusses "just in time" and "just in                                                                         
          case."                                                                                                                
             ¾"Just in time" inventory works well for                                                                          
               most business plans today but it works                                                                           
               poorly when preparing for a pandemic                                                                             
               emergency.                                                                                                       
             ¾The military stockpiles inventory "just                                                                          
               in case" there is a wartime event.                                                                               
        ¾The public policy question is how much is a                                                                           
          governmental responsibility to  do "just in case."                                                                    
          The  public health  argument  is that  stockpiling                                                                    
          antivirals   is  a   legitimate  "just   in  case"                                                                    
          expenditure.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:55:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER  read from  the  last  page  of Mr.  Barry's  book                                                               
relating  to misinformation  and how  it can  create terror.   He                                                               
then  concluded his  presentation by  restating a  principle that                                                               
was learned  as a result of  the 1918 pandemic:   The public must                                                               
be honestly  informed, and  the government must  do the  best job                                                               
possible to mitigate societal effects that could be profound.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:57:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  asked how to  prepare for a possible  pandemic and                                                               
at  the same  time ensure  a  bureaucracy isn't  created that  is                                                               
difficult to fund in the future.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER   replied  that  it  comes   down  to  legislative                                                               
vigilance and  oversight.   Training is  an ongoing  process, but                                                               
with regard to stockpiling the question is very appropriate.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:59:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked  about advances in irradiation  to stop viral                                                               
transmission.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  BUTLER  explained  that  irradiation  may  have  a  role  in                                                               
prevention  of certain  food-borne  illnesses  and prevention  of                                                               
tuberculosis, but it hasn't been  identified as a useful modality                                                               
in cases of influenza.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:00:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  OLSON  asked  what  the involvement  will  be  for  Bush                                                               
hospitals that  are already strapped  for trained  personnel, and                                                               
how they'll cope  with some of these issues.   He noted that when                                                               
somebody gets  sick in the  Bush, that  person is often  sent via                                                               
medevac to Anchorage or Fairbanks.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  answered that the  rural provider issue  in Alaska                                                               
is profound  and important.   There are  several issues.   First,                                                               
with  regard to  available resources,  DHSS has  received federal                                                               
funds  from  the  Health Resources  and  Services  Administration                                                               
(HRSA), U.S.  Department of Health  and Human Services,  for bio-                                                               
preparedness  for the  last three  years.   Until this  year, the                                                               
priority has  been to  build into all  hospitals the  capacity to                                                               
deal with  chemical poisonings, radiation incidents  or terrorist                                                               
events, for example.  However,  there is a significant refocusing                                                               
with regard to infectious-disease preparedness.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He noted  that, second,  the interagency effort  to be  headed by                                                               
Department of Military and Veterans  Affairs (DMVA) and DHSS will                                                               
involve  community and  business leaders,  both rural  and urban,                                                               
including those from the hospital industry.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He reported that,  third, Nome and Kotzebue have  been working on                                                               
training and are moving to  the "alternate care" side, looking at                                                               
how  to  find   volunteers  and  staff  in   a  rural  community.                                                               
Ketchikan  will be  the first  community to  do an  exercise, and                                                               
will test  for a couple of  days to see whether  it's possible to                                                               
keep 20 staffed beds operational  and to find trained volunteers.                                                               
The best  lessons from each  community will  be used.   Once they                                                               
move from  hub communities to  villages like Hooper Bay,  where a                                                               
single nurse practitioner may be  the only medical staff, keeping                                                               
those few  medical personnel healthy through  use of "antivirals"                                                               
will be important because there is no replacement for them.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked about the  potential for an allergic reaction                                                               
to the antivirals.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER  told him the potential  is low for the  newer agents;                                                               
oseltamivir, in particular, is well  tolerated.  The older agents                                                               
tended to  cause more problems  such as dizziness or  bad dreams,                                                               
although  relatively safe.   The  inhaled  drug sometimes  causes                                                               
coughing,  especially for  people with  underlying lung  disease,                                                               
who often  need it most.   Thus it's  fortunate there is  an oral                                                               
form.   He  said  the experience  with  oseltamivir, for  several                                                               
years now, has looked very good.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON requested a flowchart  showing who decides who gets                                                               
the vaccine first, for example,  and how the state interacts with                                                               
the federal government.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  replied that some has  been done and some  has yet                                                               
to be  determined.  As for  who gets antivirals in  short supply,                                                               
the  website  contains  the  DHSS proposal  with  regard  to  the                                                               
priorities.  He suggested a need  for the plan to be well vetted,                                                               
with opportunity for people to  comment.  This involves rationing                                                               
decisions.  Who will decide those  is an important question.  Dr.                                                               
Mandsager said it isn't clear to  him right now; he surmised that                                                               
political leaders  would want to  weigh in,  especially regarding                                                               
prophylaxis.   A key function with  DMVA and DHSS is  to get that                                                               
question out there  and under discussion, and  then for political                                                               
leaders to weigh in.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON  expressed  particular   concern  with  the  nexus                                                               
between state  officials, who have  familiarity with  Alaska, and                                                               
federal officials, who may just come in and make pronouncements.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  said Commissioner Campbell, (DMVA),  has clarified                                                               
the desire  to make  it clear  that the state  is in  charge, and                                                               
that,  when  it  comes  to  federal  resources,  they  are  being                                                               
requested rather  than forced.   He said it already  became fuzzy                                                               
with this summer's bird surveillance  plan, because the only ones                                                               
with money are the federal agencies right now.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:08:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked  how this differs from the  SARS virus three                                                               
years ago, and why it won't just go away like SARS did.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. BUTLER replied that one  difference between influenza and the                                                               
SARS  virus relates  to  containment  and control.    Most of  it                                                               
relates  to the  behavior of  the virus  in the  infected person.                                                               
For  SARS, the  peak of  viral shedding  doesn't occur  until the                                                               
second  week  of   illness,  usually  around  day   8-12.    With                                                               
influenza,  infectiousness begins  upon onset  of the  illness or                                                               
just before  symptoms appear, and  can peak  in the first  day or                                                               
two.     The  window  of   opportunity  with  SARS   enabled  the                                                               
recognition  of people  who  were  at risk  and  putting them  in                                                               
isolation to prevent its spread.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He added that SARS is a  different virus.  While it's tempting to                                                               
say  public health  intervention  completely  contained it,  that                                                               
isn't  a certainty.    From past  experience  with influenza,  by                                                               
contrast,  there  has  never  been   an  ability  to  contain  it                                                               
altogether.   Pandemics  occurred  in the  past  and likely  will                                                               
occur in the future.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  referred to the  $1.23 million for  the stockpile                                                               
and asked about the shelf life.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  answered that it has  a shelf life of  five years.                                                               
Discussions  are beginning  right  now with  some drug  wholesale                                                               
companies  in  Alaska.   It  would  be  ideal,  if there  were  a                                                               
stockpile,  that the  companies keep  it and  guarantee they  had                                                               
enough  in Alaska,  but also  keep  "feeding it  into the  normal                                                               
usage pattern" so  that the state wouldn't have to  worry that it                                                               
would become outdated.   If the state had to  keep it, there'd be                                                               
a problem with  replacement.  He added that the  federal Food and                                                               
Drug Administration (FDA) is presently  looking at whether it has                                                               
a longer shelf life.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked if the  major water utilities should have an                                                               
internal plan.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER explained  that the  question he's  trying to  get                                                               
business and  utility leaders to  address is how  they'd maintain                                                               
services if  10 to 30 percent  of their personnel were  out sick.                                                               
He pointed out that the same issue applies to the oil pipeline.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN suggested it's the infrastructure, then.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER concurred.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON remarked  that he  was impressed  with the  depth of                                                               
consideration.   He said  one question  raised was  the liability                                                               
for health care  institutions and staff.  He  asked whether there                                                               
is precedent for that.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER said he didn't know,  but it is being discussed. He                                                               
pointed  out that  states have  "Good Samaritan"  laws, and  most                                                               
have the  ability for the governor  to declare an emergency.   He                                                               
said  it's   been  assumed  that   would  protect  people.     He                                                               
acknowledged  that people  are concerned  enough now  to want  to                                                               
make  it more  explicit that  staff  don't stay  home because  of                                                               
concern for their personal liability  if those people have skills                                                               
that can be used in an emergency.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  inquired about measures that  the testifiers believe                                                               
the legislature should take.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER said  they aren't ready yet, and  are still talking                                                               
to colleagues across  the country, looking for a  model to ensure                                                               
that the  authority isn't used  inappropriately but  is available                                                               
as a tool.   He expressed confidence that they'd  be ready with a                                                               
proposal at the beginning of the next legislative session.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:13:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON referred  to malpractice liability.   He asked what                                                               
the chances are  of enacting something nationally  with regard to                                                               
torts.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER  agreed it  would  make  good  sense in  order  to                                                               
protect people  nationwide, if  needed.   He concluded  by saying                                                               
there is still a lot of work to do, though much has been done.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON adjourned  the Senate  Health, Education  and Social                                                               
Services Standing Committee meeting at 3:14:25 PM.                                                                            

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